Sunday, February 1, 2009

GSP Cheated

-This is the last thing the UFC or MMA needs right now. Apparently St-Pierre's cornerman, Phil Nurse, rubbed Vaseline on his back and shoulders in between rounds. The Nevada State Athletic Commission freaked out when they saw it and took the Vaseline from St-Pierre's corner. Following the fight, Penn's camp filed a formal complaint. There are still a lot of loose ends right now, but there definitely seems to be some tricky tactics going on. It should also be noted, this is not the first time an opponent has accused St-Pierre of being extra slippery (Sean Sherk and Matt Hughes have also questioned GSP's slick demeanor and possibly Matt Serra, if my memory is working today).

-Does this change the outcome of the fight? I know that's the question most are thinking about. It's impossible to know. Penn tried more than a few times to position his legs high on GSP's back, but they kept slipping back down. It's entirely possible the Vaseline impaired his ability to defend from his back and position to a submission attempt. That does not mean he would have magically sinked in a submission and won the fight. It just means Penn was at a disadvantage he should not have been at. It is the job of the State Athletic Commission to make sure each fighter is safe from undue harm. In this case, they failed. Penn took serious punishment on the ground and has a right to be a little upset about this.

-Here are Rudy Valentino's thoughts on it.

-I've received some emails from readers who were there telling me that while this was going on Chuck Liddell was flipping out at cageside. Supposedly he saw what was going on and made a scene. One reader wrote, "I thought someone spit on Chuck. He was going nuts."

(The gif above is not the only instance or even a full clip of what happened. This is later in the fight (I think between rounds 3 and 4) when the Commission had two guards try to towel GSP off, although they do about as horrible a job as you can possibly do. Between rounds 2 and 3, the camera was not on GSP's corner until the very end of the break. All they showed was the two guards flipping out and arguing with GSP's corner about the Vaseline, so I'm guessing they watched them do it again, then finally stepped in.)

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28 comments:

Anonymous said...

Are you serious? What kind of idiots does GSP have in his corner???

lionit said...

His trainers come up with a shoulder blood flow strategy and than a guy rubs vaseline on him? Even ordinary fans know you can't rub vaseline on a guy's body.

This was cheating for the sake of cheating. It wasn't a mistake.

Landon Tucker said...

You're exactly right.
This is the LAST thing the UFC needs right now.

Anonymous said...

Wow, are freakin' serious, this is the excuse there going to use. Seriously, that's so dumb, Wow. St. Pierre outclassed this cocky guy twice, and Penn's coner got to find something to bitch about. St. Pierre's coner didn't bitch when Penn poked him in the eye(also this is not the first time, Penn poked someone in they eye, Matt Hughes) Glad GSP owned him

Anonymous said...

Purposely putting vaseline on his shoulders is cheating. GSP was the better man out there, that's for sure. But who knows what difference that vaseline could have made? It's a matter of being fair that is all, nobody is asking here to reverse the decision.

Anonymous said...

If it was so clear and flagrant that an infraction was made; so much so, that the commissioner, Liddell, and BJ's corner ect. saw something wrong, than the ref. can warn GSP's corner, take points away, or stop the fight. BJ's corner should've made a huge stink during the fight so that the ref. could rectify any problem/danger by ensuring no vasaline or that GSP is wiped down. Why didn't they? Maybe its BJ BS? So, everybody saw this issue except the ref. who is monitoring the fighters and corners between rounds??? Please give me a break! BJ complaining after the fight is cheap and an example of whinning. The corner man looks like he is losening GSP's muscles more than anything. Furthermore, Dana said that GSP WAS getting wiped down with towels between rounds.The clip doesn't show smearing and shows towels applied to GSP. OBVIOUSLY THE REF. WAS SATISFIED WITH THE TOWELS AND FELT THIS WAS NOT AN ISSUE. BJ the Hawaiian 'Punchy' and with this loser attitude will be "sliding" out of the limelight soon.

Anonymous said...

it took bj's last defense out. i think poerre still would have won, but not as easily as he did.

And Penn's corner's not the only ones bitching. the athletic commission obviously knew something was up because they dont just rub a fighter with a towel to make him feel better. they're not worried about him sweating either

Anonymous said...

Loser excuse... It wasn´t a fight at all. It was a massacre, an overkill. Go whinning, Mr. Penn. Closed mouth doesn´t eat punches...

Anonymous said...

bj penn has a habit of trash talk. He should drop his ass back down to lightweight. Gsp what a display. He is the best pound for pound fighter in all mma. Fador is always rubbing lube on himself during fights and ass for him been best pound for pound , iv one word 'OVER RATED'!

Anonymous said...

BJ Penn took the hard fight, he stepped up in weight. He had nothing to lose really.

I'd like to see GSP step up to 185 to fight Anderson Silva so we can watch him lose too.

I think BJ would have lost either way, it's hard to get past someone whose 10% heavier than you with more muscle. GSP isn't exactly a pushover, vaseline or not.

whome said...

St.Pierre's legacy will drop bad if he loses to Alves. Everyone gonna be watching now for the vaseline. Lose the first time without it and he isn't no pound for pound nothing.

Lisa said...

Typical BJ Penn, always thinking of a reason that he lost and to complain because he got his A$$ kicked!! Penn is such a cocky ba$tard,put whines like a baby when he loses.. and the comment about St Pierre moving up in weight class.. he would give Silva a tough fight, probably the toughest he has had. However, Pierre isnt arrogant or cocky enough to try and fight someone that much bigger than him. PENN NEEDS TO STOP WHINING AND TAKE THE LOSS! St. Pierre is definately the best pound for pound fighter in MMA right now. His ground game has always been underrated. Silva is untouchable right now, but so is St Pierrre, and lets remember Silva has 4 losses and St Pierre only has 2.

Stacy said...

I personally think this is just going to set up the next fight between BJ and GSP. They need to promote the fight somehow! BJ did a good job of promoting this fight by running his mouth. Now they need to say that GSP cheated so that they can make a bunch of money when they fight for the 3rd time!

Anonymous said...

I agree.

Lets see a third fight.

Anonymous said...

irrelevant. GSP dominated penn in every aspect. quit whining.

Anonymous said...

Bullshit! He won fair and square. I dont see anything going on in any video I have watched. WTF? Are they seriously going to use this as to why BJ got his ass handed to him. Come on!

Anonymous said...

GSP cheated is the bottom line.

Whether he would have won anyway or not, does not matter. What matters is he cheated and broke the rules. Same as if he took roids. (which some people have suspected)

To GSP: You are a cheater.

Anonymous said...

I hope GSP looses his belt over this. I agree with the above post, yeah, maybe BJ gets his butt kicked either way, but GSP broke rulz and is a flat out CHEAT.

Anonymous said...

Lisa, no offense, but GSP should not be mentioned in same sentence as Anderson Silva...Silva would destroy him.

bob said...

You know? I am amazed! I teach my children fair play and honesty, yet I see so many people who condone this cheating. I am ashamed of our society.

Win, lose, or draw, a cheating is cheating.

Anonymous said...

GSP cheated, however you slice this or want to break down the fight...a cheat is a cheat, and he should be punished. I hope Dana White doesn't protect GSP since he is his golden boy and he is in love with him. I do think no matter what was on GSP, he wins against BJ at 170 lbs...But, it doesn't matter, a cheater is a cheater and he should loose his belt.

I hope some updates are posted to this site if any action is taken.

GSP should hide his greasy face.

Anonymous said...

If GSP shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence as Silva because he would lose, then Silva shouldn't be mentioned in that same sentence with the likes of Fedor because we all know Silva would get destroyed.

Anonymous said...

GSP should not be mentioned in same sentence as Silva because he is not one of the pound for pound best fighters in the world, yet. Fedor and Silva are both in the discussion and it is debatable between those 2, who is the best pound for pound...GSP is not yet at that level..he also is a cheater.

Anonymous said...

Ok let me get this straight. You can rub a ton of vas on face. No one questions this. Ok what keeps the vas on the fighters face when they rub every part of there bodies together. Heads,fists elbows legs torsos.
If you have used vasoline. you are guarenteed to get it all over. seems like a non issue Unless you can prove the vas applied to faces stays there.

donaldd said...

You can't rub tons of vaseline on the face. Time outs happen alot when the ref sees it and calls for it to be wiped off.

Vaseline shoukdnt be allowed in the cage. Have two officials put it on outside prior to the fight than go from there.

Anonymous said...

GSP won...BJ Penn calm down...quit partying & get back into shape and train as hard as GSP did and maybe next time you will win...Vaseline...nah...looking for a reason to see GSP fall.

Anonymous said...

Ok I have read all the comments on top and I agree with everyone who says GSP should be punished, a cheater is a cheater! And for the people who claim GSP is the best pound for pound fighter because he beat BJ Penn in a one way fight are completely wrong! So he beat a guy that shouldn't be in his weight class ... so what! Is that what makes you the best pound for pound fighter by beating smaller opponents? And watching the fight you cant take anything away from BJ Penn, GSP destroyed guys like Hughes and Serra in there guard! GSP was passing BJ guard and he still couldn't finish him. BJ is one tough ass fighter who likes to challenge himself. His corner stoped the fight for his safety but I bet he could have survived another round and GSP still wouldn't have been able to finish him. If I was in his position and found out about the Vas I would complain as well. BJ had the size and strength disadvantage before the fight and GSP corner didn't think that was enough, they were worried and it was a purposeful act of cheating! As far as his habits of talking trash go ... so what! All the great athletes talked trash it makes the fight more entertaining and we as fans benefit from it! Im a long time BJ Penn fan and even before the fight I was expected GSP to win and he did but he cheated! He speaks about how he is a "Proud champion" if you ask me GSP talks the most BS because no proud champion would do cheat! And as far as his next fight goes Alves will destroy him! And I am looking forward to that!

Anonymous said...

everyone who said GSP didn't cheat is ignoring the obvious. if people saw it and took it away after making a fuss about it, he cheated. while it is true GSP dominated that fight, you guys are forgetting just how good bj penn really is. his bottom is legendary because he stays out of sticky situations and putting vaseline on your body takes away some of BJ's fighting ability. i'm ready for a third fight because BJ honestly should have won the first one anyway.